Bangkok Veterans League
Season #4, Event #20
— Annual Traditional Friendly Tournament —
• Inaugural "Veterans World Cup" •
09/Nov/2008 • Harrow School

Thailand and France Triumphant
in the Inaugural "Veterans World Cup"



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Summary:
Date: 05/Aug/2009
From 4 teams to a total 44 teams that played in the Vets League, and continually drawing 24 teams month-after-month, now in our 4th season, it was time to hold a special tournament which we fondly called "Veterans World Cup"

With so many individuals playing in the Vets League every month, we had reached a point where there was a critical mass of people who can form their own national teams for this special tournament organized annually going forward.

After touting it for months (read about it in the "Buildup" section below), we were finally able to put on the inaugural Veterans World Cup show in Nov/2008. And, amazingly, 14 different teams with different Captains in charge were drawn to it, including a hodgepodge team of stars from many different nations in the team Best of the Rest.

In order of registration, they were:

No. Team Captain
(1) England 2002 Ashley
(2) England 1966 Neil
(3) France-45 Dominique
(4) Francophones Eric
(5) Scotland Steve
(6) Turkey B.Yilmaz
(7) Japan JFC Yamaguchi
(8) Japan BUJ Ohtsuki
(9) Japan-45 Watanabe
(10) Thailand Cooks Somboon
(11) Thailand Customs Sirichai
(12) Southerners Bruce
(13) Vikings Anders
(14) Best of the Rest Vern


As declared before the tournament, the following were the rosters of all 14 teams (click to view full size):




As is always the case with the Vets, the rules were simple:
  • regular Vets rules
  • 7-a-side
  • maximum 2 Over-35 and 1 Over-45 team per nation
  • all teams (Over-35 and Over-45) compete in the same tournament (yet, awarded separate trophies)
  • must play for your own nation (or union) that you hold a passport
  • must wear your nation's full colours (union teams decide as they wish)
  • must bring a large flag of your own nation, and other distinctive national paraphernalia

Groups Draw:
    Once the Captains finally gathered, and when we did the Groups Draw, there were some interesting matchups.

Group-A Group-B
(A1) Japan JFC (B1) England 2002
(A2) Southerners (B2) France-45
(A3) Vikings (B3) Turkey
(A4) Thailand Customs (B4) Japan BUJ
(A5) Scotland (B5) Francophones
(A6) Thailand Cooks (B6) England 1966
(A5) Japan-45 (B5) Best of the Rest

Some immediate observations were:
  • England 2002 and England 1966 fell into the same group (and faced each other).
  • Thailand Cooks and Thailand Customs fell into the same group (and faced each other).
  • Japan JFC and Japan-45 fell into the same group (and faced each other).
  • Japan JFC and Japan BUJ fell into different groups (and faced each other in the Knockout Stage).
  • Francophones (Over-35) and France-45 fell into the same group (although never faced each other).
  • The only 2 Over-45 teams (Japan-45 and France-45) fell into different groups (and never faced each other throughout the tournament).
  • Scotland never got a chance to face any of the 2 English teams.
  • Best of the Rest played the 2 French teams (2 draws) as well as the the 2 England teams (1 draw, 1 loss).
  • Francophones and England 1966 met twice in the tournament, drawing once in the Group Stage, and Francophones triumphing in the Semi Final of the Plate Division.


Group Stage:
    It was a whirlwind of football in the Groups Stage, each nation eying points from each other, and of course, the big rivalries were between the "#1" and "#2" teams — namely, England, Thailand, Japan, and the Over-45 teams (Japan-45 and France-45) were working hard with all their might to scrap any kind of point from any team — friend or foe.

Some of the interesting scores of the Groups Stage were:

England 2002 0 - 1 England 1966
Thailand Customs 2 - 0 Thailand Cooks
Japan JFC 1 - 0 Japan-45
England 2002 4 - 0 France-45
Francophones 0 - 0 England 1966
Scotland 4 - 0 Japan-45
England 2002 1 - 0 Turkey
Vikings 1 - 1 Scotland
Turkey 1 - 2 Francophones
Southerners 1 - 1 Vikings
France-45 2 - 1 Turkey
Thailand Cooks 4 - 0 Japan-45
Thailand Customs 3 - 0 Scotland


At the end of the Group Stage, there were some obvious results and there were some broken hearts (points collected in the Group Stage shown in "[]" brackets).

Group-A Group-B
(1A) Thailand Customs [14] (1B) England 2002 [11]
(2A) Thailand Cooks [9] (2B) Japan BUJ [8]
(3A) Japan JFC [7] (3B) Francophones [8]
(4A) Vikings [5] (4B) England 1966 [6]
(5A) Scotland [5] (5B) France-45 [4]
(6A) Southerners [4] (6B) Best of the Rest [3]
(7A) Japan-45 [0] (7B) Turkey [0]

For example, in Group-A:
  • The 2 Thailand teams rising above the rest
  • Vikings barely making the cut into the Cup Division over Scotland, with scoring the same but conceiting 1 mere less goal
  • Japan-45 fighting hard, yet still collecting no points

And, in Group-B:
  • The 2 England teams ending up on opposite ends of the Cup Division cut
  • France-45 making a real effort for almost qualifying for the Cup Division
  • Turkey, without any Thais on their squad , predictably finishing at the very bottom with no points at all under their belt


Thus, the stage was set for a thriller finish in the Knockout Stage.

Cup Division QFs:
So, the Top-4 in each group entered in the Cup Division QFs, which were:

Cup Division QFs
Thailand Customs 2-0 England 1966
Thailand Cooks 2-0 Francophones
England 2002 0(2)-(3)0 Vikings
Japan BUJ 2-1 Japan JFC

It turns out that:
  • The 2 Thailand teams sailed through the QFs
  • Group-A leaders, England 2002, lost (again) on penalties to Vikings, mimicking England's age-old agony from the real FIFA World Cups
  • In the battle of the 2 Japans, BUJ Japan overcome JFC Japan
  • and, to the dismay of thousands of spectators, the 2 England teams were knocked out at the QFs


Shield Division Play-offs:
And, the Bottom-3 teams were going to compete in the Shield Division, which first required a play-off to set up the Shield Division SFs.

Bowl Division Play-offs
Southerners 4-0 Japan-45
Best of the Rest 0-2 Turkey


BadCup! Final:
The losers of the play-offs were confined to competing for the revered BadCup! of this World Cup, with the aim to redeem the last place in the tournament, and that achievement went to the gracious Japan-45 team by a single goal.

BadCup! Final
Japan-45 0-1 Best of the Rest


Shield Division SFs:
In Shield Division SFs, Scotland advanced over Turkey by a narrow one-goal win, and Southerners were winners over France-45 in the penalty-shootout.

Shield Division SFs
Scotland 1-0 Turkey
France-45 0(0)-(1)0 Southerners


Shield Final:
Southerners showed their penalty taking skills for a second time and held their nerve against Scotland to win the Shield! (9th overall) trophy.

Shield Division Final
Scotland 0(1)-(2)0 Southerners


Plate Division SFs:
The Cup Division QF losers automatically entered in the Plate Division SFs, and once again we witnessed the 2 England teams crash out, going home without any silverware in this World Cup.
Plate Division SFs
England 1966 1-2 Francophones
England 2002 0-1 Japan JFC


Plate Division Final:
In the Plate Division Final, having beaten their archrivals England 1966 in the SFs, the Francophones were unstoppable, and went ahead and claimed the Plate! (5th overall) trophy over Japan JFC
Plate Division Final
Francophones 2-0 Japan JFC


Cup Division SFs:
The Cup Division got even more interesting when we found that the 2 Thailand teams were to face each other, and noone thought that Vikings could come all the way till the Cup SFs.
Cup Division SFs
Thailand Customs 1-0 Thailand Cooks
Vikings 2-0 Japan BUJ

In a very close end-to-end game, Thailand Customs overcame the challenge from Thailand Cooks by a single goals, and Vikings simply and quietly entered themselves into the Grand Final.


Tournament 3rd Place:
The consolation 3rd Place match went to the penalties, and Thailand Customs was happy to take it over Japan BUJ.
Plate Division Final
Thailand Cooks 0(1)-(0)0 Japan BUJ


Cup Division Final (a.k.a. Tournament Grand Final):
In a quite interesting one-way tournament Grand Final, Vikings were simply outdone by a faultless Thailand Customs team with silky smooth football on display.
Plate Division Final
Thailand Customs 3-0 Vikings

I'm told this Veterans World Cup idea drew so much attention among the Thais that Thailand Premier League Customs Department managers and Thailand national team coaching staff were directing the whole campaign of Thailand Customs throughout the whole day, and especially in the Grand Final, and it was clearly evident in the quality of football on the pitch

Congratulations!

Certainly, not to forget the elderly , the Over-45s World Cup went to France-45 as managed by Dominique for ranking highest (i.e., 11th overall) among the 2 Over-45 teams, and Runners-up were Japan-45 who cordially accepted it together with their BadCup!

The Golden Boot award duly went to no less, the-one-and-only Anders from Vikings for his masterful 6 goals on the day, taking the "Little Engine That Could" Vikings all the way to the Grand Final.


The final rankings of the entire 14 teams were recorded as follows:

Cup Division Plate Division Shield Division
(1st) Thailand Customs (5th) Francophones (9th) Southerners
(2nd) Vikings (6th) Japan JFC (10th) Scotland
(3rd) Thailand Cooks (7th) England 1966 (11th) France-45
(4th) Japan BUJ (8th) England 2002 (12th) Turkey
(13th) Best of the Rest
(14th) Japan-45


Overall:
    Overall, this was a wonderful day of football, played in true spirit of friendship that would make their more professional counterpart jealous.

Having teams from the nations of England, Scotland, France, Turkey, Thailand, Japan, Vikings and the entire Southern Hemisphere (with players as far down as New Zealand and Uruguay), and a touch of hodgepodge mix with team Best of the Rest (hosting players from Malaysian, Chinese, Belgians, English, Iranian origins), with 2 Over-45 teams from France and Japan fray, it was an unprecedented experiment in social engineering how these different individuals from different nations and cultures can get together in the name of the World Game, and not cause any mushroom clouds! Truly Amazing Thailand!

There were plenty of booze and banter at the trophy presentations at the end of the day, where everyone had a great laugh.

Already looking forward to the 2nd annual edition in 2009, when, I hope, we have even more number of teams as representative of world football, and can devise a clear formula on making it a more fair game for the Over-45 teams (already have an idea ).


Kind regards,
-Eralp


Note: Please do read the full United Nations-like debate on organizing the Veterans World Cup in the "Buildup" section below, starting from Jul/2008 till Nov/2008.


 
Photos:


Picture 1 — The Southern hemisphere is well represented in this Veterans World Cup with Fernando, Oscar and Jorge from Uruguay making up the contingent for the Southerners team.


Picture 2 — The customary beginning-of-the-day Captains Briefing photo with all the Team Captains to start the proceedings.


Picture 3 — Japan BUJ and Turkey in one of the early battles in the day.


Picture 4 — Eric from Francophones chasing the ball against England 1966, which ended in a 0-0 draw.


Picture 5 — England 2002 Captain Ashley is defended by France-45's Gilles, which England 2002 comfortably won 4-0.


Picture 6 — France-45 Captain Dominique is keeping the ball away from England 2002's Wayne .


Picture 7 — The Runners-up on the day, Vikings, duly represented by Finland, Denmark, Sweden (and England?).


Picture 8 — France-45 and Francophones caught in the same frame together under the French flag.


Picture 9 — Philippe and the distinctive French "Le Coq" (or, is that a chicken?)


Picture 10 — England 1966 brought an impressive squad, surely with the expectation to carry the World Cup.


Picture 11 — England 2002 were equally impressive and serious (except for Wayne), and in the hunt for the World Cup.


Picture 12 — The late-entry, Southerners, represented by Uruguay, Australia and New Zealand, exceeded expectations, and went home with the Shield! (9th overall) trophy.


Picture 13 — Japan BUJ displaying its full squad.


Picture 14 — Japan-45 was in the World Cup for the social reasons.


Picture 15 — Turkey looked impressive on paper, fizzled out on the greens.


Picture 16 — Thailand Cooks appear as indomitable as ever.


Picture 17 — Thailand Customs, under disciplined management of Customs Department and Thai National team coaching staff, looked self-assured to win the World Cup.


Picture 18 — Japan JFC surely showed their brilliance throughout the day, and collected their 3rd Place trophy in the World Cup.


Picture 19 — The splinter group that is Scotland enjoyed the day in their distinctive jovial way.


Picture 20 — The ever-happy Francophones also enjoyed the day, winning the Plate! (5th overall) trophy.


Picture 21 — Japan-45 back in the frame, this time with the Formula-1 Trophy Girls.


Picture 22 — A cute family portrait of Gonzague with his hands firmly on the World Cup.


Picture 23 — Best of the Rest key henchmen, Ali and Eric (in classic AC Milan Kaka-22 shirts), can't miss an opportunity with the Formula-1 Trophy Girls.


Picture 24 — The hodgepodge mix, Best of the Rest, represented by England, Belgium, Iran, Australia, Malaysia and China, also had a good fun run, while Keith rests his head comfortably in preparation for the next action on the pitch.


Picture 25 — While the fathers were in action, the kids were taking a break.


Picture 26 — The heat of the midfield action from the Grand Final (can't tell whether the ball is to slow or Preben is too fast — it's all relative!).


Picture 27 — Thailand Customs and Vikings in their friendly post-final joint-team photo.


Picture 28 — Vikings also had to get their team photo in with the Formula-1 Trophy Girls.


Picture 29 — England 1966's Neil and Steve start the beers in earnest after a long day of enjoyable football.


Picture 30 — Scott, Preben and Aldo caught in front of our beer sponsor, Chang's beerstand.


Picture 31 — All the silverware (and more), raring to go!


Picture 32 — Lights, camera, action — the trophy presentations get underway.


Picture 33 — Eralp the Organizer introducing the much revered BadCup!


Picture 34 — Watanabe San receives Japan-45's tournament last place BadCup!


Picture 35 — Watanabe San explaining how they made sure his team can come last in the tournament to win the BadCup!, as well as come 2nd in the Over-45s category simultaneously.


Picture 36 — Finally, Japan-45 graciously accept their place in the World Cup.


Picture 37 — Those who contributed to the Best of the Rest also get their picture in with the Formula-1 Trophy Girls.


Picture 38— Tournament 11th place France-45 called on the stage.


Picture 39 — . . . and, receive their Over-45 category championship World Cup.


Picture 40 — . . . and, the celebrations go on till late at night.


Picture 41 — Gerard also enjoys the fame of holding a World Cup at this advanced age — a rare experience for only a select few footballers at any age.


Picture 42 — When the celebrations cool down, France-45 Captain Dominique finally is able to give his acceptance speech with the World Cup firmly in his grasp.


Picture 43 — Despite their late-entry, Southerners had a great day, and a Shield! (9th overall) trophy finish.


Picture 44 — Southerners's Kiwi Captain Bruce giving his acceptance speech.


Picture 45 — Francophones back on the stage, this time, picking up their Plate! (5th overall) trophy.


Picture 46 — Japan BUJ is also recognized on the day for their impressive 4th place finish.


Picture 47 — Thailand Cooks Captain Somboon with their 3rd place trophy on the day.


Picture 48 — The "Little Engine That Could" Vikings posing happily with their Runners-up 2nd place trophy in the Veterans World Cup.


Picture 49 — Tournament's Golden Boot Boy, Anders from Vikings, also spread his wings with trophies in both hands.


Picture 50 — Finally, the inaugural Veterans World Cup trophy goes to Thailand Customs, and Sirichai proudly showcases it with a Thai flag.


Picture 51 — Three Musketeers, Oscar, Jorge, Fernando — together at the beginning, together at the end — this time with the Shield! (9th overall) trophy on display in their hands.


 
Buildup:
From: Eralp the Organizer
Team: Veterans League
Date: 05/Jul/2008


Dear Vets,


From 4 teams to a total 44 teams that played in the Vets League, and continually drawing 24 teams month-after-month, now in our 4th season, I believe it's time to hold a special tournament which we shall fondly call "Veterans World Cup" :)

I thought that with so many individuals playing in the Vets every month, I think we have reached a point where there is a critical mass of people who can form their own national teams for a special tournament organized annually going forward.

I mean, I think there would certainly be:
    - England
    - Germany
    - France
    - Japan
    - Switzerland
    - Turkey
    - Thailand

and, a few Maybe's
    - Austria
    - Scotland
    - USA
    - Singapore
    - Best of the Rest :)

Without thinking through much of the details at the moment, just a few rules come to mind:
    - over-35 Vets
    - 7-a-side (of course!)
    - 12-a-squad
    - FIFA-fair-play-rules, augmented by (somewhat awkward :) Vets League rules
    - true-elimination-format (just like in the World Cup)
    - must-play-in-your-own-national-team
    - must-wear?-your-own-national team kits
    - <maybe-a-few-others!>

I realize there are many of us in Bangkok from some nationalities that can even warrant perhaps a Team-A and Team-B (e.g., England). However, I think the right way to go would be to designate a Captain and a Manager for each nation, and those 2 individuals are given the authority to decide the selection of the 12 players that will form each nation's squad.

Or, if still insist to have multiple teams per nation, then perhaps something like England Over-35s and England Over-45s.

In terms of timing of this special tournament each year, I thought of couple of options. One would be in mid-September, before the start of the Casuals League when everyone would be back from their summer holidays. The other would be to do it in December, a week before Vets League season-ending competition (i.e., December's 1st Sunday is World Cup, and 2nd Sunday is season-ending Vets League).


Well, Ok, just wanted to get this out there first and seek opinions and thoughts around how best to organize it. Feel free to respond to me or to the VetsLeague mailing group for discussion.

And, the best way to finalize all the relevant details would be to discuss it during our monthly Captains Evening gathering (on Thursday, Jul/31st) coming up before the Aug/3rd Vets League Sunday.

Hope we can agree on a workable solution.

Waiting to hear from you.


Kind regards,
-Eralp

 
From: Steve
Team: BSL Veterans
Date: 06/Jul/2008


Scotland definitely

Stephen Wise

 
From: Dominique
Team: LeCoq French
Date: 07/Jul/2008


Hi EG,


GOOD idea, we can surely arrange a French team with LesGaulois, Campioni and others.


cheers,
Dominique

 
From: Roland
Team: BSL Veterans
Date: 07/Jul/2008


Good idea EG,


Austria would not be able to form a team since Stefan and me are the only 2 Austrians living in this country


Chok Dee krap,
Roland Schneider

 
From: Anders
Team: Crossbar Strikers
Date: 07/Jul/2008


Hi EG,

What a good idea but you forgot Denmark ;-)

Anders

 
From: Wakana
Team: BU Japan
Date: 07/Jul/2008


Hi EG


Sounds so interesting and we may need to discuss more detail.

For Japanese who has a big number of players, we are happy if we can form two teams.

Not only for us, if we cut the age line at 45 years plus, not so many nations can form a team.

Thus why don't we cut age line Over-35s including a limited number of under age and Over-40 year with no under age. The latter can be Over-42 or somewhere between 40 and 45?

Just an idea and hope we can gather the wisdom all over the world.


BUJ
Kan

 
From: Dominique
Team: LeCoq French
Date: 08/Jul/2008


Hi EG,


interesting idea from Kan.

it might make sense to present a trophy for over 40 yo. teams.

can we debate in a next Capt meeting?


cheers,
Dominique



 
From: Peter
Team: Pataya City
Date: 10/Jul/2008


an over-45s would be good also


 
From: Eralp the Organizer
Team: Veterans League
Date: 11/Jul/2008


Dear Vets,


We have had a lukewarm response to the "Veterans World Cup" idea, with some good additional suggestions, like perhaps an 11-a-side version.

And, there were even new proposed teams that I hadn't thought of originally (e.g., Denmark . . . Denmark? :)

I think there can be the following teams in a possible VWC:
    - England (Over-35, Over-45)
    - Germany
    - Scotland
    - Japan (Over-35, Over-45)
    - France (Over-35, Over-45)
    - Turkey
    - Denmark
    - Thailand (Over-35, Over-45)
    - Switzerland

or, even combined teams, like:
    - Southerners (AU, NZ, ZA)
    - Rest of Europe
    - Rest of Asia
    - North America (US, CA)

and, funny enough:
    - Best of the Rest, and
    - Worst of the Rest


I think best way to move forward is to discuss this at the next monthly Captains Evening gathering on Jul/31st (Thu) at DownUnder, where we can debate all the details, set the rules, and decide on a weekend date.

Captains and players are invited alike. You can set the direction and the shape of the final format it takes only if you're there :)

In the mean time, let me know if there are other ideas to consider in the meeting (or can also chat about it at the upcoming friendly with Singapore Vikes on Jul/17th).

Hope we can work it out.


Kind regards,
-Eralp

 
From: Edgar
Team: Amadeus Bookmakers
Date: 11/Jul/2008


The Toral brothers from Ecuador will then join the southerners. ..unless other South Americans visit the the land of smiles in the next few weeks; unlikely!!!


Edgar Toral Hernandez

 
From: Terry
Team: Crossbar Strikers
Date: 11/Jul/2008


EG,


Denmark?.... .there is only one madman that I know from there! guess who?

Maybe it should just be a Scandinavian squad....although not sure they will have him ;)

 
From: Steve
Team: Pickled Liver
Date: 11/Jul/2008


I think a Rest of the World might end up being the most practical, since it could include the Toral brothers, Roland and Stefan, Bulgarians, Zimbabweans, or those from the Pitcairn Islands for that matter :-)

I reckon that with the 'Judases' (players not hugely concerned about representing their own country [PS: NO OFFENCE to the "politically correct"), or those whose national teams simply don't have room for them, there would probably be enough players for at least two squads.


Best,
Steve

 
From: Dominique
Team: LeCoq French
Date: 11/Jul/2008


EG,


ok to try 2 french teams x 7 or 1 x 11 !


cheers,
Dominique

 
From: Eralp the Organizer
Team: Veterans League
Date: 13/Jul/2008


Yes it would be good to have:
    - a South America team to accommodate Torals and others
    - and, a Scandinavians (or Vikings?) team to bundle Anders and Esa into one team (a "first-ever" in the history of Bangkok football :)

Ok, the venue to hammer out all these details and the timing is this month's Captains Evening (Jul/31st, Thu), 7:00pm at DownUnder (Soi 23).

Everyone is invited.


Take care,
=EG=

 
From: Wayne
Team: British Club
Date: 11/Sep/2008


i find the Veterans World Cup very exciting and as captain of the British Club i will chuck my name in the hat for being one of the England captains. E.G. can there be some Rest Of the World teams for minorities? if you are interested in playing for England 1 please contact me.

Wayne

 
From: Eralp the Organizer
Team: Veterans League
Date: 14/Sep/2008


Gents,


Yes, here are the preliminary details on the inaugural "Veterans World Cup"

First off, the logistics:
    - Date: 09/Nov/2008 (Sun)
    - Time: TBD (half-day =OR= extended-day =OR= full-day)
    - Venue: Harrow School

Vets Rules:
    - FIFA-fair-play-rules
    - over-35-year-old-vets
    - 7-players-a-side
    - 13-minute-a-game (or, depending on the number of teams)
    - half-pitch
    - half-goals
    - no-offside
    - no-shinguards-no-play
    - unlimited-rolling-subs-touch-hands
    - any-slide-foul (always-stay-on-your-feet)
    - tackle-from-behind-yellow-card
    - yellow-card-sit-out-the-half
    - red-card-take-a-hike-for-good
    - shake-hands-after-each-match
    - enjoy-the-beers-and-trophies-at-the-very-end
    - objective-is-not-to-win-but-to-build-lasting-friendships

World Cup Rules:
    - must play for your own nation (or union) that you hold a passport
    - must wear your nation's full colours (union teams decide as they wish)
    - over-35 and over-45 teams compete in the same tournament


Knowing the many lads who play in the Vets League, I see the possible lineup of teams as follows, with committed(C) and potential(P) Captains:

National Teams:
    - England 2002 (Over-35): Wayne(C)
    - England 1966 (Over-35): Graham(P)
    - England (Over-45): Peter(P)
    - Germany: Ralf(P)
    - Scotland: Steve(P)
    - France (Over-35): Christophe(P)
    - France (Over-45): Dominique(C)
    - Switzerland: Dino(P)
    - Turkey: Yilmaz(C)
    - Japan (Over-35): <?>
    - Japan (Over-45): <?>
    - Thailand (Over-35): Sirichai(P)
    - Thailand (Over-45): <?>

Union Teams:
    - Southerners (AU, NZ, ZA): Bruce(P)
    - Vikings (DK, NO, SE, FI): Anders(P)  
    - North America (US, CA): Julian(P)
    - Rest of Europe: Roland(P)
    - Rest of Asia: Yao(P)
    - Rest of the World: Edgar(P)

Funny Teams:
    - Best of the Rest: <?>
    - Worst of the Rest: <?>


Of course, this is all debatable, including:
    - number of games to play
    - format of elimination
    - trophies to award
    - etc.
    - etc.
which we'll do during Oct/2nd's Captains Evening at newly re-branded DownUnder to Bradman's (in Sukhumvit Soi 23).

So, feel free to join and voice your views, and set the direction how this inaugural Veterans World Cup sails.

Waiting to hear your opinions.


Kind regards,
-Eralp

 
From: Chris
Team: Crossbar Strikers
Date: 15/Sep/2008


England 66 --- Is the team :)

All being well, we shall be donning the '66 world cup shirts.


Chris

 
From: Bruce
Team: BSL Veterans
Date: 15/Sep/2008


EG,


Happy to organise a Southerners team.

Can we have Brazil and Argentina as well? :)


cheers,
Bruce

 
From: Steve
Team: New Wave
Date: 24/Sep/2008


Hi EG,


We have 1 Scots team, so far no sure if anybody will enter a second one.


Regards,
Steve

 
From: Wakana
Team: BU Japan
Date: 25/Sep/2008


EG,


Can one nation send two teams in the same category?

If yes, are there any condition? I want to know in case Japan faces difficulties to choose players. As you know well, we often supply the biggest number of the players for the monthly league.

Or shall we introduce another category like Over-40? (Though I am not sure Japan can organize the team like that)


Kan

 
From: Eralp the Organizer
Team: Veterans League
Date: 28/Sep/2008


Dear Kan San,


Yes, of course!

England is sending 2 Over-35 teams, plus possibly another for Over-45 (headed by Peter?). France will most likely bring an Over-35 and an Over-45 squad.

Among others, the following 3 rules will be the foundation for such a competition:
    - must play for your own nation (or union) that you hold a passport
    - must wear your nation's full colours (union teams decide as they wish)
    - over-35 and over-45 teams compete in the same tournament

So far, the following nations have confirmed:
    - England (Over-35 #1): Wayne
    - England (Over-35 #2): Terry, Chris
    - France (Over-45): Dominique
    - Scotland: Steve

with 2 Maybe's:
    - Turkey
    - Southerners

I'm sure more will also confirm in due time.

And, other nations --- Switzerland, Thailand, Germany, Vikings, Rest of Asia, Best of the World :) --- you'll need to appoint/volunteer a Captain soon to take on the challenge of assembling your squads.


And, do spare some time to join the detailed discussions on the final format of the VWC on Oct/2nd's Captains Evening at Bradman's (in Sukhumvit Soi 23).

Waiting to hear more confirmations.


Kind regards,
=EG=

 
From: Phil
Team: BSL Veterans
Date: 28/Sep/2008


Hi Steve


Do you have a full squad of players for the Scots team?

If so I may go for a second Scots team.

Let me know.


ta
Phil

 
From: Eralp the Organizer
Team: Veterans League
Date: 05/Oct/2008


Dear Vets,


After intense discussions and negotiations at last Thursday's Captains Evening, the plans for the Inaugural "Veterans World Cup" are near final.

I am attaching a PDF file that documents all the rules at this point in time. If any changes, I will inform the group.
[File: Inaugural Bangkok Veterans World Cup Rules - v01 - 05Oct2008.pdf]

So far, there are 5 confirmed nations (the "(C)" and "(P)" means "Confirmed" and "Potential" Captain in charge):
    - England (Over-35): Wayne(C)
    - England 1966 (Over-35): Terry(C), Chris(C)
    - France (Over-45): Dominique(C)
    - Scotland #1: Steve(C)
    - Turkey: Yilmaz(C)

with some Maybe's:
    - Southern Hemisphere: Bruce(C)
    - Scotland #2: Philip(C)
    - France (Over-35): Christophe(P)
    - England (Over-45): Peter(P)


I'm sure other teams like Japan (Kan), Thailand (Sirichai, Chatchai, Thaness), Germany (Ralf), Switzerland (Mauro, Pedro, Dino), etc. will also seriously consider the prospects of competing in a World Cup --- albeit for us the "older age" lads :)

It is also possible to raise and play for what I call the "union" teams, like "Southern Hemisphere" (Bruce, Rod, Edgar), or "Vikings" (Anders, Ben, Esa, Svend), or "North America" (Julian, John, Philip), or "Rest of Asia" (Vern, Tytus, Yao), or "Rest of Europe" (Andrea, Maarten, Fahri, Neb), or "Best of the World" (your name here :), etc.

[Important: any anyone from the Southern Hemisphere (including South America), please talk to Bruce in earnest]

In addition to regular Vets Rules (as attached), the following are few extra rules that we will observe in the VWC:
    - Must play for your own nation (or union) that you hold a passport
    - Must wear your nation's full colours (union teams decide as they wish)
    - Must bring a large flag of your own nation, and other distinctive national paraphernalia
    - Maximum 2 Over-35 and 1 Over-45 teams per nation
    - Over-35 and Over-45 teams compete in the same tournament
    - Deadline to register is 30/Oct/2008 (Thu)

Yes, the Captains Evening participants agreed to set a deadline for registration (Oct/30th, Thu), and it's also been agreed that any team registering after Oct/30th will have to pay 50% extra for late registration penalty !!! Plenty of time to organize your side, so, hurry up, and get your registrations in early :)

In organizing a side, it will be important to designate/volunteer a Captain as soon as possible, so, if there anyone out there to lead any of the nations mentioned above (or others), please let me know in earnest.

May the best team win!

Waiting to hear from you.


Kind regards,
-Eralp

 
From: Eralp the Organizer
Team: Veterans League
Date: 15/Oct/2008

Nov/9th (1pm-6pm): Inaugural "Veterans World Cup"
And, the big event of the year --- the Inaugural "Veterans World Cup".

The excitement has been building since returning from summer holidays. So far, we are at 7 nations, aiming for that first World Cup for the Vets (with confirmed Captains named next to each):
    - England (Over-35): Wayne
    - England 1966 (Over-35): Terry, Chris
    - France (Over-45): Dominique
    - Scotland #1: Steve
    - Turkey: Yilmaz
    - Japan JFC (Over-35): <?>
    - Japan BUJ (Over-35): <?>

and, 4 Maybe's are still working their way to form a squad:
    - Southern Hemisphere: Bruce
    - Scotland #2: Philip
    - France (Over-35): Christophe<?>
    - Japan (Over-45): Kan<?>

while, other possibilities are:
    - England (Over-45)
    - Rest of Asia
    - Rest of Europe
    - New World
    - Best of the World
who are struggling to find a leadsman.

Feel free take leadership of any of the above teams, and register your nations in earnest for proper planning --- deadline is Oct/30th (Thu).

And, if you would like to play for any of the confirmed nations, drop an e-mail to their Captains to be counted on their squad.

Lastly, if you don't want to lead any nation and would still like to play in one of the "Best of" teams, then, please let me know, and I'll keep a list to form those squads.


Kind regards,
=EG=

 
From: Eralp the Organizer
Team: Veterans League
Date: 18/Oct/2008


Well, in preparation for VWC on Nov/9th, I have cobbled together an MS-Excel worksheet with teams and names, and is attached (Rules from Oct/5th is also attached):

[File: Veterans World Cup Teams List and Players Roster.xls]
[File: Inaugural Bangkok Veterans World Cup 2008 Rules - v01 - 05Oct2008.pdf]

As I mentioned before, we stand at the following "Confirmed" teams:
    - England 2002 (Over-35)
    - England 1966 (Over-35)
    - France (Over-45)
    - Scotland #1
    - Turkey
    - Japan JFC (Over-35)
    - Japan BUJ (Over-35)

with the following "Tentative":
    - Southerners
    - Scotland #2
    - France (Over-35)
    - Japan (Over-45)

and, with the following "Possible":
    - England (Over-45)
    - Rest of Asia
    - Rest of Europe
    - New World
    - Rest of the World

The deadline to confirm (or cancel) is set at Oct/30th (Thu).

As I mentioned before, after careful consideration, in the interest of mixing players into various teams, I would like to be strict on who can play for which nation. If you don't hold passport of a nation, then you will need to choose one of the "Best of" teams. And, if you're holding 2 passports (e.g., Rod), the choice of team is yours (Southerners or Scotland :)

We will discuss further details and logistics during Oct/30th Captains Evening gathering, so feel free to come and represent your team. Beers are on me :)

In the mean time, let me know if I overlooked any issue.

Looking forward to it.


Kind regards,
-Eralp

 
From: Graham
Team: New Wave
Date: 18/Oct/2008


No Thailand!?!

 
From: Eralp the Organizer
Team: Veterans League
Date: 20/Oct/2008


Graham --- For Thailand, I'm waiting for Sirichai and/or Thaness to take leadership on the issue. As you may remember, we set the rule as 2 Over-35 and 1 Over-45 teams per nation. And, the deadline is Oct/30th.


Craig --- Yes, at least once a year in this "World Cup" edition of the Vets, I would like to go along the lines of nations that each player holds a passport. With that way, we can ensure some sense of identity in each team (we all know how British Club Vets is "British" these days, regularly carrying Dane, Turkoman, and Malaysian on their ranks :) , as well as mix in players from many nations in the "Best of" teams.


On the Italian connection, it's looking like there won't be a "Best of Europe" team, as I haven't heard from many non-Brit and non-Franco players so far. Just hoping someone could step forward pretty soon (hint, hint: Anders, Ben, Andrea ?)

We still stand at 7 teams:
    - England (Over-35): Wayne(C)
    - England 1966 (Over-35): Terry(C), Chris(C)
    - France (Over-45): Dominique(C)
    - Scotland #1: Steve(C)
    - Turkey: Yilmaz(C)
    - Japan JFC (Over-35): <?>
    - Japan BUJ (Over-35): <?>


Get your registrations in early :)


Kind regards,
=EG=

 
From: Aldo
Team: BSL Veterans
Date: 26/Oct/2008


Hi EG


Definitely in for the Southerners if they are in...Do you have the contact for Bruce?


Aldo

 
From: Eralp the Organizer
Team: Veterans League
Date: 26/Oct/2008


Thanks, Aldo. You may have to manage the Southerners :) as Bruce said he may be on the road that weekend (his email: <brucel@internode.on.net>).

We have reached 9 teams for the inaugural VWC:
    - England 2002: Wayne
    - England 1966: Terry, Chris
    - France (Over-45): Dominique
    - Scotland #1: Steve
    - Turkey: Yilmaz
    - Japan JFC: Yamaguchi
    - Japan BUJ: Ohtsuki
    - Japan (Over-45): Okaichi
    - Thailand Cooks: Somboon (from Harrow Cooks)


In any case, I have spoken with quite a few Vets from nations that are not in the above confirmed teams. I can see there is desire to play, but no desire take charge of captaincy or managing.

I can guess there certainly could be teams such as:
    - Best of Southern Hemisphere: Bruce, Aldo, Toral Brothers, Simon, Justin)
    - Best of Europe (Roland, Stefan, Mauro, Pedro, Esa, Marc, Ben, Anders, Andre, Eric, Svend, etc.)
    - Best of Asia (Vern, Yao, Wang, Tytus, Reza, Rocky, etc.)

or, if need be, "Best of the World" that could include the above named Vets plus a few other stalwarts (e.g., Germain, Julian, Huberto, Tim, Chris, etc.) and dozens of other Vets who play in the monthly Vets League competitions.

I am attaching the updated MS-Excel sheet again, but frankly not many updates in it!
[File: Veterans World Cup Teams List and Players Roster.xls]

Again, I would ask for a few volunteers to step forward and take charge of these possible "Best of" teams. Or, the next best way is for people to send me their names that you'd like to play, and I match them with a "Best of" team between now and Nov/9th.

Otherwise, the last best way would be for people to show up early on the morning of Nov/9th (about 11:00am or so), and find their own proper "Best of" team.

As usual, we must kick-off at 1:00pm, and the number of teams must be finalized by the time when we hold the Captains Briefing.

From the numbers so far, I am expecting anywhere between 10-14 (or max 16) teams.

Last, but most important, the deadline to confirm entry is Oct/30th (this coming Thursday), and, any confirmation (or cancellation) after that date will be subject to the normal 50% late registration fine.

Let me know if you need more information on the contacts of various confirmed team Captains, or have a suggestion for better managing this.

Waiting to hear from you.


Kind regards,
=EG=

 
From: Eralp the Organizer
Team: Veterans League
Date: 03/Nov/2008


And, now, the attention turns to the Inaugural "Veterans World Cup" coming up this Sunday (Nov/9th). We have picked up 2 more teams yesterday, and stand at 13 teams:
    - England: Wayne
    - England 1966: Terry, Chris
    - France (Over-45): Dominique
    - Francophones: Eric <== most likely!
    - Scotland: Steve
    - Turkey: Yilmaz
    - Japan JFC: Yamaguchi
    - Japan BUJ: Ohtsuki
    - Japan (Over-45): Okaichi
    - Thailand Cooks: Somboon (from Harrow Cooks)
    - Thailand Customs: Sirichai (from Yingcharoen)
    - Southerners: Bruce, Aldo, Simon
    - Vikings: Anders, Ben

But, if you hail from other nations, such as Malaysia, Iran, Austria, Switzerland, Singapore, China, Italy, Netherlands, Mexico, Bulgaria, Canada, or Timbuktu, please feel free to write to me or make your way to Harrow School a bit earlier on Sunday (say 11:00am), and we will certainly form ad-hoc teams, like:
    - Best of Asia
    - Best of Europe
    - Americas
    - Best of the World
    - etc.


Anyhow, more news on the World Cup coming your way later in the week, so stay tuned!

Looking forward to it!


Kind regards,
-Eralp


 
From: Eralp the Organizer
Team: Veterans League
Date: 25/Sep/2008

Gentlemen,


Yes, following my original e-mail on Jul/5th, and a long debateful gestation period, it seems like all systems are "GO" for the inaugural Bangkok "Veterans World Cup".

At last count, we still stand at 13 confirmed teams:
    - England: Wayne
    - England 1966: Terry, Chris
    - France (Over-45): Dominique
    - Francophones: Eric
    - Scotland: Steve
    - Turkey: Yilmaz
    - Japan JFC: Yamaguchi
    - Japan BUJ: Ohtsuki
    - Japan (Over-45): Okaichi
    - Thailand Cooks: Somboon (from Harrow Cooks)
    - Thailand Customs: Sirichai (from Yingcharoen)
    - Southerners: Bruce, Aldo, Simon
    - Vikings: Anders, Ben

and, hoping to form "Best of"  teams like:
    - Best of Asia
    - Best of Europe
    - Americas
    - Best of the World
    - etc.
on the day.

One re-reminder ==> those Vets who would like to run the ball on the side of one of the above "Best of" teams, please let me know and make sure to be at Harrow School a bit early (about 11:00am), so that we can sort out how many "Best of" teams there will be before the day-start Captains Briefing. Ideally, a 16-team tournament would be absolutely perfect!

The schedule will be much like the regular monthly Vets League, and I expect to hold the Captains Briefing at about 12:30pm. Captains --- please be at Harrow School at least at 12:00 noon.

One more admin matter, I am attaching the latest roster of teams and players sheet.
[File: Veterans World Cup Teams List and Players Roster.xls]

The following teams haven't still gotten back to me on their rosters.
    - France (Over-45): Dominique
    - Francophones: Eric
    - Japan BUJ: Ohtsuki
    - Japan (Over-45): Okaichi
    - Thailand Cooks: Somboon (from Harrow Cooks)
    - Thailand Customs: Sirichai (from Yingcharoen)
    - Vikings: Anders, Ben

Please bring a 2nd set of shirts just for those possible colour clashes, and if you have coloured bibs, it would also help us for lending to teams what may need them some games.

Also, bring your own footballs, GK gloves, duct tape, 2nd pair of shorts and socks and boots, sunblock lotion, etc. just in case someone may ask to borrow.

And, of course, there will be plenty of liquids, but one of these days, I'll sort out the food situation in these half-day tournaments, so this time again, allow contingency for getting hungry (whether yourselves or your kids :)

Please do let me know if I overlooked any matter in the mean time.

I hope to see many people having a great time this Sunday. Bring all your flags, colours, scarves, banners, posters, or other uniquely identifiable national and cultural belongings.

Let's make it a truly memorable day for all the good reasons.


Kind regards.
=EG=

 
From: Laurent
Team: LeCoq French
Date: 06/Oct/2008


EG,


You really are doing a great job.

Thanks a zillion for always taking the time and arranging all that.

I will be there, in Eric's team.

Have a great week.


Laurent

 
From: Ali
Team: Eton Rifles
Date: 06/Nov/2008


Dear EG,


Thanks a lot for your kind arrangement. I would like to enjoy the first special game on the coming Sunday.

I want to be the goalkeeper for the team of "the Best of Asia". I will be there at 11am.


Best Regards,
Wang(Ali) from China.

 
From: Ben
Team: BSL Veterans
Date: 06/Nov/2008


EG,


BSL Ben is available for best of the World, Americas, etc. come Sunday. See you at 11:00.


Ben

 
From: Eralp the Organizer
Team: Veterans League
Date: 07/Nov/2008


Ok Gentlemen,


Last pre-tournament note!

We're still at 13 teams:
    - England 2002: Wayne
    - England 1966: Terry, Chris
    - France (Over-45): Dominique
    - Francophones: Eric
    - Scotland: Steve
    - Turkey: Yilmaz
    - Japan JFC: Yamaguchi
    - Japan BUJ: Ohtsuki
    - Japan (Over-45): Okaichi
    - Thailand Cooks: Somboon (from Harrow Cooks)
    - Thailand Customs: Sirichai (from Yingcharoen)
    - Southerners: Bruce, Aldo, Simon
    - Vikings: Anders, Ben

and, will need to form at least 1 more "Best of Something" squad to make it an even number.

Wang and Ben and others --- please come by Harrow early enough so that we can tally the numbers in hopes of making up 1 more team.

And, just for reference, I am attaching the basic rules that we will be following in this inaugural tournament, as supplemented by the detailed "Veterans League" rules (in English and in Thai).
[File: Inaugural Bangkok Veterans World Cup 2008 Rules.zip]

As I remind every time in all of these Bangkok Vets activities, winning is not the objective --- building and developing friendships and relationships for future years is!

Looking forward to it.


Kind regards,
=EG=


 
Feedback:
From: Eralp the Organizer
Team: Veterans League
Date: 11/Nov/2008


Gentlemen,


A wonderful day of football, and a wonderful day full of good time.

Many . . . . . many thanks to all those who found the time to take part in the inaugural "Veterans World Cup" last Sunday, many thanks for making it a celebration of casual, cordial, civilized day of football, that, I think the game has always been meant for.

It was just great to see people as far south as New Zealand (Bruce) and Uruguay (Fernando), and far north as Finland (Esa) to go up against each other in a fun and friendly (and French?) full of football competition.

Among the many winners (and losers :), Thailand Customs swept the whole competition with plenty of well organized and composed team football on the pitch throughout the day that these older age Thais are renowned for --- they just seem to reach football maturity after the age of 35! (I'm told Thailand national team staff coach was directing the whole campaign ;)

Great achievement for Runner-up Vikings who cobbled up an 8-men team only 10 days before the competition, and also a big congratulations to Dominique and France Over-45s for bringing home the "other" cup :), with Japan Over-45s the close on their heels as Runner-up *and* BadCup! Champs on the day. Another star is in order for those Le Bleu jerseys!

On the other end, the most hopeful 2 teams, England 2002 and England 1966 went head-to-head each other twice --- once in the Group Stage, and again, (no less) in the 7th place match, both time Terry and the gang in Team '66 triumphing over Wayne's squad, and yet only for the 7th place :)

My compatriots (and myself), unlike ourselves (and without any comeback wins), had an awful day, finishing the Groups with 0 (yes, zero, nul, zilch, nada) points, and scrapping 12th place out of 14 teams, thanks to a lucky play-off win against the volunteer "Best of the Rest" squad, led by the most dedicated Malaysian footballer in Bangkok, Vern. Plenty of room for improvement for both teams.

When the dust settled, here were the final rankings:
    1) Thailand Customs (Sirichai)
    2) Vikings (Anders)
    3) Thailand Cooks (Somboon)
    4) Japan BUJ (Ohtsuki)
    5) Francophones (Eric)
    6) Japan JFC (Yamaguchi)
    7) England 1966 (Terry)
    8) England 2002 (Wayne)
    9) Scotland (Steve)
    10) Southerners (Bruce)
    11) France-45 (Dominique)
    12) Turkey (Yilmaz)
    13) Best of the Rest (Vern)
    14) Japan-45 (Okaichi)

A more detailed write-up and the many pictures of the inaugural edition will appear on the Vets website soon. CCTV's Ali also promised to provide his video report of the tournament as he will file it with his producers in Beijing.
[File: Inaugural 'Veterans World Cup' 2008 - 09Nov2008.jpg]

In the mean time, I would appreciate a short (or long!), a few paragraph write-ups from each team's perspective to go up on the website as well. Aldo, Steve, Bruce, Dominique, Eric, Wayne?, Terry --- calling on you guys, And, I will re-check with Reza if he can fill us in somehow from his perspective (wish Graham was here :)

I already had inquiries on what happens next. I think we'll let this one sink a bit (and allow Terry and Wayne have a good chat for a while), and start planning for next year in due time (no, not 4 years from now!).

I just hope and wish (and pray) that those 2 World Cups do make their way back (intact) to next year's edition (once I had them out in December's Vets League with team names permanently engraved on the label plates :)

Looking forward to it.


Kind regards,
=EG=

 
From: Vern
Team: British Club
Date: 11/Nov/2008


Malaysia will never make it to the World Cup...at least not in my lifetime!

Therefore to play in one makes me proud and to captain the Best of the Rest tops it all!

Special thanks to my core team mates, Eric, Scott, Keith, Ali, Reza, Ben(injured) for giving it a real go.

We would have made the top half had the referee given my shot against England'66 against the top crossbar and over the line...a goal!!! Any witnesses?

Another controversy in the WC!

Last but not least, thanks EG for a great tournament!


Cheers guys!
Vern

 
From: Terry
Team: Crossbar Strikers
Date: 12/Nov/2008


EG,


what can we say! great job as usual. Disappointed we did not do better overall, but think teams were gunning for us ;)

As you said, its not about the winning, its about the spirit and the friendships that are made on and off the field. This philosophy embodies the tournaments and is the reason I play for sure.

have a good week.


Terry

 
From: Darren
Team: Eton Rifles
Date: 12/Nov/2008


Thanks EG for a really good day out- from all the Eton Rifles lads playing for the various teams appreciate all the work you put in.


Regards
Darren

 
From: Peter
Team: Eton Rifles
Date: 12/Nov/2008


Hi EG,


Thanks for the World Cup Comp. last weekend, It was great fun, even if England 2002 crashed out in typical English style.


Peter

 
From: Eralp the Organizer
Team: Veterans League
Date: 14/Nov/2008


Thanks for the well wishes, Guys. The the Bangkok version of the "World Cup" was fun.

Planning ahead for next year, how about I say we target the 2nd edition for mid-Sep/2009, some time before the Casuals League kicks off?

And, also, would love to hear other suggestions for improvement as well.


Well, I have one :) Actually, one of the chaps in the Japan Over-45 team mentioned that in order to decrease the Over-45 teams's handicap, we can allow the Over-45 teams to play with 8-men against the 7-men Over-35 teams. And, I think it's a great idea :)

One other thing we can aim to achieve is to have those non-aligned players to form their "Best of <Continent>" teams, for Asia, Europe, and Americas.

Looking forward to the 2009 edition.


Kind regards,
=EG=

 
From: Aldo
Team: BSL Veterans
Date: 17/Nov/2008


The wonderful day that was the Inaugural Veterans World Cup also saw the birth of a new World Cup Veterans's team --- a team representing the Southern Hemisphere --- yes --- the bottom half of the planet no less!

The team was the Southern Hemisphere --- nicknamed "The Southerners".

This brought together a force of Aussies, Kiwis and South Americans to form a group that quickly acclimatised to the Vets's 7s format and soon found their "zone" as they melded as a unit. After a couple of early losses, the team came together to record a great winning run home and a finish as
Plate! Winners on the day.

Captained by Bruce, the Southern Hemisphere team has now spawned another new team for the regular season of the Vets League --- Southern Cross.

Welcome to the boys guided by the light of the "Crux" --- the Southern Cross.


Aldo


 

Feel free to e-mail to me if you would like to voice your take on the above summary, or would like to obtain the original resolution pictures.

 




 
 
 
 
 


 


 

09/Nov/2008 Results
Teams                          Group Points       Final Standings   
 • Thailand Customs 14 (1A) Champ!
 • Vikings 5 (4A) 2nd
 • Thailand Cooks 9 (2A) 3rd
 • Japan BUJ 8 (2B) 4th
 • Francophones 8 (3B) Plate!
 • Japan JFC 7 (3Ah) 6th
 • England 1966 6 (4B) 7th
 • England 2002 11 (1B) 8th
 • Southerners 4 (6A) Shield!
 • Scotland 5 (5A) 10th
 • France-45 4 (5B) 11th
 • Turkey 0 (7B) 12th
 • Best of the Rest 3 (6B) 13th
 • Japan-45 0 (7A) BadCup!
Note: "(3B)" means finished 3rd in Group-B